What Do Mooring Permit Holders Want?

At Wednesday night’s Harbor Commission meeting, current mayor Rush Hill saw first steps taken toward fulfilling his vision for harbor–wide water taxi service and floating dock communities to replace fore–and–aft moorings in Newport Harbor. Two ad-hoc committees were formed, consisting of Harbor Commissioners, to propose pilot programs for testing the ideas.

Harbor Commissioners on Ad–hoc Committees

Water Taxis
Joe Stapleton
Doug West
Dave Girling
Multiple Vessel Mooring System
Floating Docks
Brad Avery
Karen Rhyne
Duncan McIntosh

A skeptical, as opposed to critical or cynical, mooring permit holder may wonder about the mayor’s stated wish to provide more services to mooring permit holders. We are aware that there are certain services mooring permit holders would appreciate, but we are not aware that floating dock communities or a water taxi were high priority items for the majority. In fact, we are skeptical of this and we have not been asked for our opinion. If the mayor were to ask mooring permit holders, What do you want? what would you say?

Here is our best effort to brainstorm a list of services the City might provide. Please use the comment section below to add to the list or comment on items.

Top Priorities to Mooring Permit Holders

Honorable Mayor Hill, if you want to provide more services to mooring permit holders, these items are priorities to us; results of the survey below this list show how we rank these in priority to us. (updated March 24: click to survey results)

  • Work dock
    • A place permit holders could use, for up to a few days, to work on the boat
    • A dock at which boat could charge batteries overnight
    • A dock at which a vendor, such as mechanic, could work on boat
  • Dinghy storage
    • City has constructed, but not yet rented, a dinghy rack at Balboa Yacht Basin
      • Update March 24: Another dinghy storage rack will be available at Marina Park
    • See NMA Dinghy Storage Proposal
  • Parking permits
    • Areas soon to be impacted by the neighborhood parking permit on the peninsula will be even more challenging for mooring permittees seeking access to their boats
  • Mooring spacing boat to boat
    • One goal of the new mooring field boundaries currently shown on nautical chart 18754 [online viewer or pdf chart booklet] was to improve mooring spacing. The boundaries are wider, but the boats have not yet been moved to enjoy the space available

Please Participate in the Survey

Kindly use this really short, quick survey (average less than one minute to complete) to show what priority you place on various ideas. The ideas are shown to you in random order. With your mouse, you drag and drop them into position by priority to you, with your top priority at the top! Then click Finish Survey If your top priority is not shown, feel free to add it in the comments section below!

(updated March 24: click to survey results)

From the list that evolves here over the next month, we will then try to estimate relative expense of each option and rank the options by priority to permit holders.

10 thoughts on “What Do Mooring Permit Holders Want?

  1. Bill MosesBill Moses

    F-9Great job getting this story up so quickly and including the survey. The survey will be an effective and accurate way to share the concerns and wishes of the mooring holders with the Mayor and the new ad hoc committee. I was not aware of the impending parking restrictions which may severely limit access to moored boats, thank you for shedding light on that.

  2. Mark SitesMark Sites

    B123I am skeptical of the mayors claim that these offshore docks can be provided at the same cost as a mooring.

    My mooring costs the city nothing. I maintain the tackle and pay rent to the city for the tideland permit to keep it in the harbor. If I’m not using it, the city rents it out to a visitor and collects even more money.

    Under the worst case, if for some reason I stop paying rent, the city takes over my permit and tackle and sells it to someone else.

    Compare that to docks that the city has to build and maintain. First, I doubt that the rent I’ve paid over the past 10 years, or even the past 20, would come close to paying for the proposed dock and pile that the mayor wants to replace my mooring with. Add in the cost of running underwater utilities, as has been proposed. Now factor in the maintenance of these structures.

    With all of the above, the mayor has just proposed building a marina without the ramps or parking lot, and a lot more spread out. It makes sense to me to expect the costs to the users to be on par with a marina, and nowhere near what I’m paying now, which is already challenging to afford.

  3. Dan RunnerDan Runner

    B-181, S-66Re offshore docks: How do you keep the sea lions off and still provide access to people? The existing mooring/docks in the NHYC field have a yacht club shore boat that can hose the sea lions off at regular intervals and clean the docks. Will the city provide this service?

  4. Michael FowlkesMichael Fowlkes

    BYC 146How stupid does someone have to be to hold office in this country? From Newport’s mayor to the president, they’re living proof that common sense, intelligence and a commitment to serving the people are not a requirement. Floating brothels for the sea lions and a taxi service to shuttle all the 909ers out to take photos of them. Yea…that’s how we want our mooring fees and tax dollars being spent. Pull your head out of own self serving, self righteous self centered world, for once, and listen to the people that own, lease and love having our vessels on Newport moorings….leave the harbor alone. We DO NOT want floating docks.

  5. Jim DowJim Dow

    Docks will make perfect landing places for the fowl that inhabit the Harbor & seals will love their new haul out space!
    Will you be surrounding the docks with chain link fencing? How do you intend to keep the seals off the docks? How will all this look to those who live on the bay front ?
    I sail on and off my mooring (no engine) …will the docks be laid out with this in mind?
    Why can we not keep the moorings as they are?

  6. James BentsonJames Bentson

    H-76I spoke out against the outrageous tax hike on our moorings along with Pirate Pete a few years back and successfully changed the mind of the council. While I have been away, they have raised the cost of our holes in the water to a ridiculous level. Are they now feeling guilty and wanting to give something back to us? I seriously doubt this. I see this proposal as another way for the City to up rates and drive the common man or woman out of the harbor and off the moorings. We need dinghy storage and parking, we do not need any other intervention except tax relief. A while back, we proposed that we be allowed a 14″ or so dock–like placekeeper (registered vessel) which could be used as, and looked suprisingly like, a floating dock. Our own float, with storage, and tied to our own moorings, that was strictly not allowed. Why not leave it up to the actual property owners (the mooring permit holders).

  7. Ross McElfreshRoss McElfresh

    J XX

    I am not interested in floating dock AT ALL!

    However, since when do the City of Newport Beach politicians and committees REALLY care about what we think. At every meeting ever I attended regarding the new fee structure for moorings, the commercial and residential docks they proved all they could hear was themselves. They’ll do as they please until they are voted out and replaced by leaders who care more about the soul of Newport Beach (the boating community) than developing real estate and selling its soul.

    Thanks for trying. It’s good to know others care but we’re without support from those that make the decisions…for now. Vote in some believers!

    1. Meridee ThompsonMeridee Thompson

      You are so correct, we need to turn out city hall. They are so out of touch with Newport’s majority it’s embarrassing. Until that happens we have a situation where money buys power buys corruption. Corruption in this case is special interests vs. real public /resident’s needs. In accordance to public tidelands guidelines. I still can’t get over seeing patrol boats on the bay with 3 officers in them each! Crazy stuff. How many times I have seen them stop people for silly stuff while a mega yacht breezes by at well over the 5 kt in the bay speed limit, with no repercussion.
      Developers rape, pillage and move on to the next place. Don’t let it happen here.

  8. Meridee ThompsonMeridee Thompson

    I am horrified that the parents of children that went to school with my child at NH are taking the stances they are regarding our beloved–for–over–35–years mooring.

    I can understand the bayfront homeowners’ disgruntlement with the moorings in general and the subsequent interest in upscale–sounding ideas being presented. There was a period of time when the moorings ended up being the cheapest place in town to park and live on an almost–free Craigslist boat, nightly rates were that low to rent a mooring. City changed that rather effectively by raising the nightly rental rate. I think a lot of people got a hard on for mooring owners just because we all had to put up with that period of time. Most of that has moved on with the rate hike, from what had been priced the same as overnight campsites at state beach campgrounds.

    What upsets me mostly now is that my husband and I are retired, enjoy our mooring like our own private island, (we live in a house, in case you are wondering, as if it matters) and can not imagine what these people are thinking! Love the website’s sea lion pics, ’cause that is exactly what we can expect to happen. We have lived in Newport all of our lives attending NH and Mariners, Ensign and NHHS (both of us) and find our situation, of not being in the 10% wealthiest people in the world category, looking at changes that will directly and fatally affect our devotion to our home town. Been sailing and powerboating for 42 years with my husband, so I write from my heart.

    1. Meridee ThompsonMeridee Thompson

      I worry that the whims of some short term community service mayorish person can result in profound and permanent, not necessarily needed or well thought out, changes–at a time when nothing need be changed.
      Remember when the Irvine mogul left the sands on the bay on PCH to the public for their use forever and public use became making money for the city and allowing a huge YC to be built on that very sand? That is the kind of change I am speaking of.

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